Our Ministers and Staff
Rev. Schuyler Vogel
Rev. Schuyler Vogel serves as the Senior Minister of the Fourth Universalist Society in the City of New York. He holds degrees in religion from Carleton College and Harvard Divinity School and has served as a pastor to congregations in Wisconsin and Illinois. Prior to becoming a minister, Rev. Schuyler led religious education programs in Ft. Lauderdale and Chicago with an emphasis on youth and young adult ministry and helped found the Sanctuary Boston, an emergent Unitarian Universalist community. Since joining Fourth Universalist in 2016, their ministry together has been featured in the New York Times, The Nation, WNYC/NPR, and Democracy Now!. Rev. Vogel is a native of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Rev. Schuyler is available by appointment and is generally in the office between Monday and Thursday.
Rev. Jill Bowden
Rev. Jill Bowden serves as an Affiliated Minister of the Fourth Universalist Society in the City of New York. She holds degrees from Mercy College (BS in psychology), Long Island University (Master of Public Administration in health care), and Union Theological Seminary (Master of Divinity). She serves our free faith as Director of Chaplaincy Services at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. Before that, she was Director of Pastoral Care at Winthrop-University Hospital in Mineola, NY.
Previously a respiratory therapist and a health care administrator, Rev. Bowden’s background provided significant experience in bedside care and health systems leadership, growth, and management.
Jill is available for consultation and pastoral care at the direction of the Senior Minister or in his absence.
Rev. Beth Putnam
Rev. Elizabeth (Beth) Putnam serves as an affiliated community minister of the Fourth Universalist Society in the City of New York. She holds degrees in history from Wellesley College (BA) and the University of Texas at Austin (MA), and attended seminary at Union Theological Seminary in New York (MDiv). She serves as a Chaplain at VA New York Harbor Healthcare System (VA NYHHS), which she joined as a staff member after completing Chaplaincy Residencies at both Albert Einstein Hospital (Philadelphia, PA) and VA NYHHS. She has been a member of Fourth Universalist since 2002. Before being ordained by Fourth Universalist in 2008, she served as an active layperson, including serving as Board President. While growing up mostly in Rochester and Buffalo, NY, she and her husband Alex have lived in New York City for over two decades and she now considers herself a New Yorker.
Beth is available by appointment, she will generally respond to e-mail requests or messages on her home phone within one day.
Rev. Mark Cutolo
Rev. Mark Cutolo serves the Fourth Universalist Society as its Membership Coordinator. A born-and-raised resident of the state of New York, and a Millennial, he has both a Master of Divinity and a Master of Social Work. In addition to working at Fourth Universalist Society, he also works full time as a clinical coordinator at a university-based research center doing studies on sexual behavioral health, substance abuse, and HIV/Aids prevention and treatment. Mark feels passionate about liberal religion, and the historic Universalist vision of reality in which the Eternal, who is greater than all yet present in each, is so generous, that in the end, all are loved and saved. As a fellow urbanite who strives to not get lost in the faceless masses, Mark looks forward to building spiritual community with newcomers and existing members alike, as we incarnate our common values and living tradition for the wider community and city.
Director of Religious Education
DJ Cashmere is excited to serve the families of Fourth Universalist Society as Director of Religious Education. The descendant of Catholic and Jewish immigrants from across Europe, he was born in New Jersey and raised mostly in the DC suburbs. DJ received his Bachelor’s in Theatre Arts from the University of Southern California and his Master’s in Teaching from Dominican University. DJ also studied in Germany and England before settling in Chicago, where he taught for eight years in the public school system, focusing largely on theatre and social justice. DJ will soon begin working on a second Master’s degree at New York University’s Carter Journalism Institute. He believes in fostering love, curiosity, and mindfulness, and sees his work in education as a practice of social change.
Director of Music
Sean Mayes is humbled to be joining the family of the Fourth Universalist Society as Music Director. A native of Canada from Toronto, Sean has been an active music director across Canada with numerous credits and premieres in Toronto and Montreal. His work has also been inclusive of music direction and adaptation on the West End in London. As an equally passionate arts & music educator, Sean is a staunch advocate of arts education for people of all ages, and his work has offered the privilege of visiting as a guest artist & educator in numerous institutions throughout Canada & the UK.
Sean is also an advocate of musical theatre & education scholarship, and his work can be seen in publication through art journals and texts, as well as in presentation at arts & theatre conferences across North America & Europe. With a diverse background as a Music Minister, Sean is thrilled at this opportunity to be a part of such a vibrant and progressive community in the heart of New York City
Head of Nursery Ministry
After making one of the biggest decisions of her life, Indra Payne decided to migrate to the US from South America in 1991. Ever since then, she has worked as a child caregiver, allowing her to build many deep and long-term relationships families. She has been taking care of children at Fourth Universalist since 1995 and has two daughters who have also served the congregation’s families. Indra earned her GED after arriving in the U.S. and is now entering her 23rd year with our congregation.
Head of Chalice Children
Colin Wulff is an Oberlin College graduate (BA in Theater, Highest Honors) with a Unitarian background starting in elementary school when he attended the Champlain Valley Unitarian Universalist Society (CVUUS) in Middlebury, VT. In addition to pursuing theater (he is a recently joined member of Actors’ Equity Association), he has spent much of his creative and professional energies on being an educator in Unitarian, theatrical, and academic contexts. He has previously worked as both the Drama Instructor and Assistant of Religious Education at the Unitarian Church of All Souls, and has served as a childcare worker, academic tutor, camp counselor, and theater teacher in a variety of regions for many years.
Donald Jones (DJ)
Head of Youth Ministry
DJ developed a passion for helping others while growing up and facing challenges in the South Bronx. In the 3rd grade, he was diagnosed with dyslexia. He was placed in a smaller class setting (special education) and began to be tormented by his peers in school; and outside of school. When DJ graduated from high school, his reading and writing was at a 3rd-grade level. He decided to challenge himself by attending Monroe College in the Bronx. At Monroe, he thrived academically. He taught himself how to read and write by studying words and researching the meaning of words he did not know. “While people where sleeping at night, I used that time to read and write. All I needed was three hours of sleep. I was excited and determined to break free from feeling like I was dumb, because that’s the way everyone made me feel.” Not only did DJ bring his reading and writing level up to college level, he also graduated from Monroe College with a 3.8 GPA.
DJ is now a professional youth developer, care manager for people with developmental disabilities, speaker, and author–as well as a father. He dedicates most of his time working to create ways to make people rise to their potential, both by teaching empowerment classes and crisis interventions, and by spreading positivity throughout the communities that he serves.
Director of Administration
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